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| Ironic wrote: | | You can ask that..and then we can get even more general and I can ask "Well, why do YOU care? Why are you a moderator here?" |
I think you've got the wrong idea about what a moderators role is. The role of moderator is to keep this a place safe & open, where people can open up and discuss what they please without worrying about aggression, or condescension or judgement from their members.
Lately you've been ruffling some members feathers with your aggression. Recently after a member of this forum got banned, some members raised to us the question of why some others haven't had the same treatment. Your name was brought up every time. Some people on this forum just don't feel comfortable replying in discussions where you're involved Ironic. You're often unnecessarily angry, extreme and controversial.
I hate making a public display, but I've dropped you numerous PM's asking you to treat people with a bit more respect, to little effect it seems.
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| Fri Dec 09, 2011 11:00 pm |
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| Sat Dec 10, 2011 8:57 am |
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all in all one in one " written word . say" the bible for one'. the follower MOSES.
well' AA/NA'S word , and the main saying is'. A DRUG IS A DRUG IS A DRUG IS A DRUG.........
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| Sat Dec 10, 2011 12:16 pm |
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I really don't know how anyone, including AA, can give out any accurate numbers concerning recovery percentages. And I can only speak for myself here.
Does AA work? In my case, yes. Can't say anything about NA as I've only been to one meeting 5 years ago and didn't care for the reception.
But back in '87 I was a hopeless drunk. Couldn't draw a sober breath if my kids life depended on it. Went to AA meetings off and on for 10 years and still drank. Then one person cornered me and took me under his wing. He became my sponsor and I managed to stay sober ever since. Of course I started the pain pills after 15 years of sobriety and am now not clean. Sober yes, clean from all opiates, no. But being on Sub is the closest yet.
Several of my friends who got sober along with me don't attend meeting anymore. I haven't been to one since year 4 and managed to stay sober by working the program. Same with my friends. We still talk and send cards and only one started drinking again, my sponsor.
My point is, how can anyone know what happens to people once they stop going to meetings? I was the only one who got hooked on pain pills in my group of friends and will probably return to AA once I get my shit together and taper off Sub. Where do these numbers come from? Do they assume once you stop going to meetings that you drink again? Not in my case and not in numerous others I know including family.
AA saved my life. Why it took 10 years is because I thought I could get sober by just going to meetings and not doing the work. After working the 12 steps I stayed sober.
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| Sun Dec 11, 2011 2:17 am |
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| Re: Back to the Original Question |
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| rule62 wrote: |
My point is, how can anyone know what happens to people once they stop going to meetings? I was the only one who got hooked on pain pills in my group of friends and will probably return to AA once I get my shit together and taper off Sub. Where do these numbers come from? Do they assume once you stop going to meetings that you drink again? Not in my case and not in numerous others I know including family.
AA saved my life. Why it took 10 years is because I thought I could get sober by just going to meetings and not doing the work. After working the 12 steps I stayed sober. |
Many of the studies in the review were quite long term. They find people in active addiction who want to get clean, often through outreach services, and assign certain ones to 12-step groups and others to a non-12 step method. Then they follow how they go over 1-2 years.
You're dead right. Unless a very large study is done over many years, it's hard to get an accurate picture. This is the reason the jury's still out on 12-step groups, compared to other recovery methods. There was some discussion going on as to why it's often referred to as the "gold standard" when the data is ambiguous.
I do hear you though. My experience with NA was similar in some ways to yours in AA.
Just 3 nights ago I met up with an old NA friend from interstate, back when I was doing lots of meetings in another city's fellowship. He filled me in on how everyone's going up there (they're a gossipy bunch still it seems). I was a bit surprised to find out that the majority of people who had 2+ years clean when I knew them have relapsed. Many of them have just returned to drinking alcohol, and their lives are still 50 fold better than they were. But still, alcohol is a relapse in NA, whether or not they were ever alcoholics.
I'm also in touch with a number of people who have left the rooms over the years, whether just drifting away of from relapse. And I swear, the number of people who are in active addiction is about the same as those who remained in the rooms.
For me, the main problem with being in 12-step groups was that if I relapsed in the rooms, I relapsed HARD. There was no such thing as a "lapse". I was convinced that anytime I relapsed, I had to hit a new rock bottom, and it nearly killed me. When I decided to leave the rooms, I still had some relapses, but I didn't feel that gutting powerlessness from doing it that I did in NA, so I didn't destroy / nearly end my life every time.
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| Mon Dec 12, 2011 8:47 am |
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in my area"only 1 or 2 i no are sober without meetings". the rest of about 9 i no are using.
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