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Possible pain relief drug for suboxone users?

hatmaker510 — Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:45 am

Author: hatmaker510

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 6:45 am

Found another really great page of info on Voltaren:

http://www.drugs.com/mtm/voltaren.html

I take ibuprofen often for headaches, so I'm thinking I may not be a good candidate for this. Also it says don't take it if you smoke, which I do.

Great information though, thanks again for providing it.

Addiction Remission

news_poster — Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:00 am

Author: news_poster

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 3:00 am

I have organized my web efforts around a central ‘hub’, at a web page called ‘Addiction Remission’. Thank you for checking it out, and for sharing it with other people who struggle with addiction in themselves, in their family members, or in their patients. If you have a moment, please give the site a ‘plug’ [...]

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Source: Suboxone Talk Zone: A Suboxone Blog
Questions and Answers about Opiate Addiction and Suboxone

What am I fighting for??

hawker1 — Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:00 am

Author: hawker1

Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 1:00 am

Just know there are a whole lot of people who are behind you. We're not there in class and you can't see us but we're there. You're not alone in that class....she is! That's why she has to keep dragging other people into it and bringing it up. We have your back and as such you don't have to say or do anything. You are happy right? So who cares what she says or think. She sounds like a very small person. Don't sweat what small people think about you or us. We're doing great.

Addiction Remission, odds and ends

suboxdoc — Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:37 pm

Author: suboxdoc

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 11:37 pm

Hi All,

A couple things-- it is about 10 PM central time and I just got home... I keep talking about the time when I will be slowing down and spending more time here, but that time isn't here yet. I know that I take for granted that you all will keep coming back, keep the dialog flowing, keep things honest, and keep guiding people in the right direction-- and I thank you all for that.

I have created a central site for the other sites to branch from, called Addiction Remission-- at AddictionRemission.com. Please check it out, and if you have a moment, submit it to wherever you submit your favorite web pages so the page rank will get a boost. My goal is to eventually get 'subox' out of the title of the forum and blog-- already you can get to the blog through 'bupeblog.com, and the forum through 'bupeforum.com' or through (who was it here who suggested this name?) buprenorforum.com (and buprenorphorum.com!). Those of you versed in SEO will understand the problem-- that the words in the title, in the meta data including keywords, and in page content all contribute to a first-page ranking on Google when people search for 'suboxone'. If 'Addiction Remission' gets some decent traffic, I will change the names over to the new ones. I am investing in some adword spots to get the name to pop up here and there, and if I get some help from all of you clicking on stumble upon and entering the page, or putting it on your facebook pages, that will really help.

I am constantly working on referring people to this forum; I send letters to doctors who prescribe buprenorphine when I get the energy (I go to the doctor-finder sites and collect doctor names, and do mass mailings). Again, y'all can help me by making sure that your own docs are aware of the forum. Those reading this who ARE doctors who prescribe buprenorphine, please send me an e-mail to let me know that you are here; if there is enough interest, maybe we will have an 'expert forum' where doctors reply to questions. Ideally, the prescribers would know the most about the medication, but with buprenorphine that situation varies-- some patients know as much about buprenorphine as anyone else out there! If you are a prescriber, drop me a note and introduce yourself-- just write to 'iprescribe@suboxonetalkzone.com'.

Some interesting news-- I received an invitation to attend a meeting with SAMHSA and NIH in May, in Washington DC, about the future of buprenorphine treatment. I presume the invitation relates to the blog, forum, e-book, etc, but I am not certain exactly who was responsible for including me. I am certain that the messages I receive from people at the forum and the interactions that I read here keep me qualified to speak about the issues that are the most important to opiate addicts. People share some intense stories here, and I will do my best to have the voices heard, and report back on any big developments.

I use 'linked in', which is one of the social networking sites; I belong to a number of addiction treatment groups there, and the RSS feed from the forum feeds into my linked in home page-- so posts made on the forum pop up in those locations. That should be recognized by everyone-- don't include any identifying info in your public posts. I suggest, though, that any of you who use a site like facebook or others to consider adding the RSS feed for the forum or for suboxonetalkzone.com-- just click on the little orange doo-hickey and another page will open; take that URL from that page and copy and paste it into the place that asks for an 'RSS feed'-- and all of the new posts and articles will automatically update on your page.

Finally, the forum will be profiled in 'addiction professional journal' in the next month or two, so everybody make sure you are wearing clean underwear and looking your best. odds and ends... I want to find a way to reach young people without appearing like one of those guys who show up on 'to catch a predator'... once a teen is taking opiates regularly, the game is over, at least until the person is in his/her late teens. If anyone has any ideas to attract and reach that audience with a message such as 'just say no or you will totally suck', let me know. I have a 15-y-o daughter and I can't figure that age out-- not in girls anyway!

Take care,

Jeff J

Thanks again for your work here, everyone.

Hubby started at 24mg/day!

donh — Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:10 pm

Author: donh

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 10:10 pm

I have to say that when I first saw this post, something didn't quite add up for me either. I would have to agree with you in that from what I have seen, 24 mg is certainly on the high end of doses. I also found it really interesting that a doc would put someone that has been free of opiates for such a long time directly back on Suboxone. I'm not saying there is necessarily anything wrong with that, but it did catch my eye. Then to put someone who is naive of opiates on such a high dose, I really wondered. I am told that even a small dose - say 2 or 4 mg - given to someone who has no tolerance to opiates will strongly affect them. I can only imagine what 24 mg will do to someone who is naive of opiates.

This is such a fine line here. I don't want to say that your husband is not being honest with you. You may just want to delve a bit further here. Either way, the most important thing is that your husband is getting help. Many people seem to do very well on daily doses anywhere from 4 to 16 mg. From what I have read, the "best practice" ceiling dose seems to be 16 mg. All that being said, I would have to agree with you that 24 mg for someone that has not used opiates in many years, seems to be on the high side of things.

Hopefully by talking with your husband and perhaps going along on his next visit as SetMeFree suggests, you'll be able to get first hand knowledge of what is actually going on. Best of luck to you.

Quitting Subutex at 25 weeks Pregnant

Tangerine — Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:45 pm

Author: Tangerine

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:45 pm

I sympathize with your desire to stop taking buprenorphine while pregnant. When I became pregnant the second time, I had strong feelings of not wanting to be on this medication. Although I previously had a healthy, thriving child while taking sub. I did not want to add any risks to my pregnancy and my baby. During the morning sickness phase of the pregnancy it was very difficult for me to take the medication, the taste made me feel extremely ill. This added to my desire to end sub treatment. My family was also concerned and commented on how I should try to stop so the baby doesn't suffer from withdrawal, even though my first child did not experience any w/d symptoms. Just simply as a mother I naturally worried about the long-term effects if any to my unborn baby and did not want to do anything that could possibly harm him. I wanted to be the healthiest I possibly could be. My baby was recently born, and after much worry, debate, and research, I decided to stay on the buprenorphine. Thankfully neither I nor my baby had any complications. The hard part now is the normal day to day caring for a newborn. It is a stressful job in these early days. You will have to make your own decision about whether or not to discontinue your subutex, I just wanted to share with you a bit about my experience. You will find support and pertinent information here. Good luck with your decision making, and the remainder of your pregnancy. I know that a healthy baby is your goal.

im in love with an addict

lostforhim — Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:13 pm

Author: lostforhim

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:13 pm

this is my story...my boyfriend and I have been togethers 2 years this may and has through the entire time of our relationship been addicted to several chemical dependency drugs. being ignorant to it all i helped buy drugs to keep him from having withdrawals. call me naive but i had no idea that i was enabling him instead of recognizing it was an issue. he kept telling me that his back was hurtin and only the pills could make it better. he had lost his job 2 weeks after we moved in together and he was having a hard time finding another one and i on the other hand was working a commissioned based job in a poor economy. i couldnt maintain a constant flow of income to keep us afloat of the bills and maintain his addiction. once it got really bad to where we were getting threatened with eviction notices every week and any little money we got was going towards pills i finally said enough was enough and cried him all the way to a weekend detox center...see what was never said to us was that we should have had a program set up for him once he got out of the weekend detox center because the weekend alone wouldnt clean him...however we were never given this information so once he got out of the detox center he was left with withdrawals from the suboxone they gave him in there and just let him go...so he started coping the suboxone off the street until i could set him up with pac insurance to get him into a group...after several months he finally was approved for a group and he had began the long road to recovery. at the same time i had just got a fulltime job paying decent money...after only a month things began to fall apart for me eventhough i had the fulltime job we were so behind on the bills that no one was willing to work with us anymore and gave us until the end of the month to pay $1000 for rent and $600 for the car or else...having no one on my side of the family to turn to we decided to move in with his family which lived 2 hrs away...so we started living with them and ended up getting him into a different program and our new residence. he was doing great with his program and finding work here and there...see he is in construction so work is very hard to find....then it happens. he missed 2 groups and when the counselor was tryna call him he would avoid her calls and due to no response from her she immediately discharged him from the program..I couldnt believed that they just let him go but at the same time he shouldnt have avoided her calls to find out why he missed 2 groups. well his dr didnt want to just cut him loose so he kept prescribing the suboxone everyweek and said he would do this until my boyfriend found a new program...well we needed to get his insurance switched over from where we used to live to where we live now and find a program...i left this responsibility in his hands because i thought he could handle it. however he procrastinated (sp?) and finally his dr decided to cut him off completely. due to this he began buying the suboxone off the streets and it was working while i looked for a new program that would accept his insurance. well suboxones are hard to find where we live and his dealers most of the time would have suboxone but every now and then they would only have herion and he dreaded the thought of withdrawals so when the dealers would only have herion he would start using that....i began to notice his changes and lack of energy to do anything and started to see his video game collection depleat and finally when he decided to sell his gaming console after i already gave him money to get suboxone i knew there was a problem...finally his mother contacted me and advised me that he was taking herion and we decided to band together as a family and do an intervention. he was having thoughts of suicide so we suggested to buy more time that he go to the er to let them know he was having suicidal thoughts so that they could keep an eye on him while we look for immediate help. the er didnt do much but give him ativan and they advised what places had beds available for rehab the next day...well when i called both places the next morning they advised me that they will not accept his insurance so we had to give him more ativan to knock him out til we found a place...finally after talking with the same program that discharged him and cut him off completely they advised me of a place back where we used to live...7 day stay of detoxing or he can stay til he feels better (as long or little as he likes) so i drove him 2 hrs to be there this morning by 7am...get there and get him registered and he is currently there dealing with one of the biggest challenges of his life again...i just want him to get better and be the man that he can be for our family...i can not turn my back on someone anyone who needs help whether im their girlfriend or best friend its too hard for me to do that to him...but im wondering when will enough be enough??? not really asking questions here just wanted to share my story of being in love with any addict.....

ANTHRAX WARNING...PLEASE READ THIS!!!

JoeKing — Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:00 pm

Author: JoeKing

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 8:00 pm

wow! scary .. I'm so glad i left that world behind!

NEED HELP PLEASE ASAP PLEASE!

Jackcrack — Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:47 pm

Author: Jackcrack

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:47 pm

Taryn,

I'd love to post my pic but I too am afraid of who would see. I work in a career where if anyone got wind I would be FIRED with a capital F for Fuck more than for Fired. (oh....and not all of us are probably as attractive as you either

But I am glad your appointment went well. The people here DO understand which is the craziest experience in my whole addiction because I was a secret addict an no one understood active addiction or suboxone. So it means a tremendous amount to me that these people here understand and when in a bind....they are definitely there for you.

I hope each day gets better and I hope you stick around because in no time you will be helping the next person who walks on here with the same questions and concerns you have had. You can make a big difference for someone else.

Good luck and way to be honest with the doc!

Cherie

Just a comment on abusing suboxone

Jackcrack — Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:26 pm

Author: Jackcrack

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 7:26 pm

.....all the craziness that happens when I am at work.

I see what both parties are saying. I agree with SneakyElephant because I agree the sub isn't taking away the addiction entirely. But after having withdrawn from oxycontin and from subs both in an abrupt fashion......I don't think I was withdrawing from oxycontin at the same time. I mean...withdrawal from oxycontin is TOTALLY INHUMAN and withdrawal from Subxone abruptly is only PARTIALLY INHUMAN. Both still inhuman mind you.

So is the little suboxone fairy running around in my brain stealing away my addiction? To some extent he is. He is because he took away all my using friends. He took away all my pattersn of behavior that got me high. He gave me opportunity to have other things to live for that I cherish. He showed me that I can live and I can have a life. Although I didn't have to torture my suboxone fairy to give me answers he was kind enough to share.

And...on the other hand, what is a cure? When I was diagnosed with my other physical condition I cried because I was so happy to know what the hell it was. He told me not to get too excited because it wasn't curable. If they had a pill for that condition that would put it in total remission so long as I took that pill, HOT DAMN I'd be calling it a cure. Really I suppose it would be an effective treatment but to me it would be a cure. So here is where the semantics come in.

If there was a pill that you could take that cured ANY and ALL impact from Aids, i.e. you won't get sick or die from it and you can't spread it so long as you take this pill. I'll be damned a lot of people would call that a cure. So would that little Aids fairy be taking away all the Aids? Kind of when you can't share it with anyone and it can't hurt you or impact you any longer.

So I do kind of think suboxone is a bit of a cure if you take it as prescribed every day of your life. If you quit you could just be screwed like me

Another newbie seeking advice and reassurance...

Tarynw135 — Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:06 pm

Author: Tarynw135

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 6:06 pm

Hey emccurdy21,

Thank you so much for sharing your story with me and everyone else…oh my God it is so sad though I can’t stop crying (also due to me just being an ultimate emotional wreck lately!) I was/am so touched by your story as well as the quite eerie similarities we both share. There’s so much about you and your story that reminds me of myself and my life...SO much! I too have gotten fabulous at manipulating people…namely doctors….into getting what I want from them but it has just been recently that I actually want to start coming clean with everyone about everything!

OK here goes (please don’t hate me for saying this as I know you have probably heard it a 100 times and don’t want to) BUT you have got to be honest with your husband about your abuse and your addiction problems…I am no angel and God knows no perfect person…I live with an addict and used with him for the past 3 years…everything he could get his hands on and (aside from heroin) it has been and still is very easy for him to obtain anything we want….really anything it’s scary. I know it may be hard and may cause you more headaches but I think that for your own sake you need someone by your side while you are going through all this because I swear it’s the emotional and mental part of this addiction that is the hardest when it comes to getting off all the shit and without someone there by your side helping you it’s almost impossible to make it! I just think that you should try (not saying you have to divulge everything) to kind of let him know what’s going on with you so you don’t have to keep hiding everything from everyone.

Have you started on suboxone yet?? Let me know because I want to see if and how you are doing with the change from the pills to the sub and how its working out for you…its real hard when you’re doing it alone and you don’t have support so USE THIS SITE it has helped me out tremendously…as I have found that my fiancé hasn’t exactly been there for me like I thought he would (but that’s a whole nother post/day/story). I have actually turned more to people on this site for support than him…which is weird I know but I am just trying to stress to you how beneficial this place can be for you…especially since it sounds like you’re going to be doing it on your own. I AM HERE FOR YOU THOUGH I PROMISE!

I too am a little bit of an anxiety pill, ambien and speed junkie myself on top of my addiction to methadone and pills so trust me I completely understand and you don’t need to feel ashamed or embarrassed when talking to me because I can completely understand how it feels when you basically lose control over your own body and turn to other things to get you through the day/night. It will get easier! I swear it will….everyone told me that it would and I thought they were a little full of it but they were all 100% right IT DOES! Each day is going to be a bit of a struggle (and I can’t say yet that I am out of this phase) and each day though will get a little easier and a little less hard to get through until (hopefully for the both of us) we are able to get through not only days but weeks and months of enjoying our new found freedom and lease on life. It’s not going to be easy…you used for a while as did I, but you can do it…you have been through so much in your life already ( omg I’m crying again thinking about your miscarriage) that honestly Liz if you can get through that then you can do anything. That must have been so hard for you and I can’t imagine how difficult it must have been but just know that you will be OK and that everything in life has its reasons…although sometimes you may not see why or it may not make sense….everything happens for a reason. I AM SO SORRY ABOUT YOUR BABY I honestly can’t stop thinking about the hurt it must have caused you and I am so very sorry.

Liz, you can do this I promise you that….if I can do it (and trust me I love me some drugs) than you can certainly battle this disease head on and if you need a helping hand I am here for you every step of the way. Please keep posting and good luck...let me know what stage you are at as far as with the suboxone so I can give you some tips if needed.

T

New to all this

Tarynw135 — Wed Mar 10, 2010 4:50 pm

Author: Tarynw135

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 4:50 pm

Hey emccurdy21,

Thank you so much for sharing your story with me and everyone else…oh my God it is so sad though I can’t stop crying (also due to me just being an ultimate emotional wreck lately!) I was/am so touched by your story as well as the quite eerie similarities we both share. There’s so much about you and your story that reminds me of myself and my life...SO much! I too have gotten fabulous at manipulating people…namely doctors….into getting what I want from them but it has just been recently that I actually want to start coming clean with everyone about everything!

OK here goes (please don’t hate me for saying this as I know you have probably heard it a 100 times and don’t want to) BUT you have got to be honest with your husband about your abuse and your addiction problems…I am no angel and God knows no perfect person…I live with an addict and used with him for the past 3 years…everything he could get his hands on and (aside from heroin) it has been and still is very easy for him to obtain anything we want….really anything it’s scary. I know it may be hard and may cause you more headaches but I think that for your own sake you need someone by your side while you are going through all this because I swear it’s the emotional and mental part of this addiction that is the hardest when it comes to getting off all the shit and without someone there by your side helping you it’s almost impossible to make it! I just think that you should try (not saying you have to divulge everything) to kind of let him know what’s going on with you so you don’t have to keep hiding everything from everyone.

Have you started on suboxone yet?? Let me know because I want to see if and how you are doing with the change from the pills to the sub and how its working out for you…its real hard when you’re doing it alone and you don’t have support so USE THIS SITE it has helped me out tremendously…as I have found that my fiancé hasn’t exactly been there for me like I thought he would (but that’s a whole nother post/day/story). I have actually turned more to people on this site for support than him…which is weird I know but I am just trying to stress to you how beneficial this place can be for you…especially since it sounds like you’re going to be doing it on your own. I AM HERE FOR YOU THOUGH I PROMISE!

I too am a little bit of an anxiety pill, ambien and speed junkie myself on top of my addiction to methadone and pills so trust me I completely understand and you don’t need to feel ashamed or embarrassed when talking to me because I can completely understand how it feels when you basically lose control over your own body and turn to other things to get you through the day/night. It will get easier! I swear it will….everyone told me that it would and I thought they were a little full of it but they were all 100% right IT DOES! Each day is going to be a bit of a struggle (and I can’t say yet that I am out of this phase) and each day though will get a little easier and a little less hard to get through until (hopefully for the both of us) we are able to get through not only days but weeks and months of enjoying our new found freedom and lease on life. It’s not going to be easy…you used for a while as did I, but you can do it…you have been through so much in your life already ( omg I’m crying again thinking about your miscarriage) that honestly Liz if you can get through that then you can do anything. That must have been so hard for you and I can’t imagine how difficult it must have been but just know that you will be OK and that everything in life has its reasons…although sometimes you may not see why or it may not make sense….everything happens for a reason. I AM SO SORRY ABOUT YOUR BABY I honestly can’t stop thinking about the hurt it must have caused you and I am so very sorry.

Liz, you can do this I promise you that….if I can do it (and trust me I love me some drugs) than you can certainly battle this disease head on and if you need a helping hand I am here for you every step of the way. Please keep posting and good luck...let me know what stage you are at as far as with the suboxone so I can give you some tips if needed.

T

last dose today

ratt396 — Wed Mar 10, 2010 4:46 pm

Author: ratt396

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 4:46 pm

Hey all, thanks felt pretty good today just still low energy u know just worn out by the end of the day.but also my diet sucks.I take lots of vitaims but donuts & redbulls all day prob doesn't help I know this just lazy when it comes to that so prob could b better if my diet was better.still only weight about 175 but need to eat better my wife is on me all the time about that.she's right!my lazyness.thanks ratt396

Suboxone & Smoking - Cross Triggers?

hatmaker510 — Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:34 pm

Author: hatmaker510

Posted: Wed Mar 10, 2010 12:34 pm

You might want to try hypnosis. My therapist says the more things we do to try to change a habit, the better our odds are at succeeding. You might also try behavior modification. Those are two things that you can do along with gum and cold turkey that should increase your odds of success.

Good luck!