Bad reaction to subs. Think I need to go off
Goto page 1, 2, 3, 4 Next
Bad reaction to subs. Think I need to go off
Posted: 04/16 06:45 AM
I started subs on thursday and it started out ok. On Friday I woke with a headache and was nodding off when I sat down. So on Saturday I spit out the naloxone after taking my 8mg in the morning and my 2mg in the afternoon(dr wanted me to take 4mg but It was too much for me). When the evening came my head hurt so bad it was like someone was jabbing it with a knife, my vision was blurred, my eyes were fluttering and I was nodding off, my legs were twitching and my speech was slurred. Everytime time I closed my eyes I saw weird images and heard voices(like hallucinating). Finally I went to sleep, on Sunday morning my head still hurt bad so I just took 2mg and I fell asleep for 3hrs and still felt crappy so I didn't take anymore and started to feel better. Now here on Monday morning since I didn't take anything I feel fine, except now there are two soars on my upper lip, one on the outside, one inside.
I just called my doc and said "I am having bad reactions and I'm afraid to take the Suboxone anymore" she did not ask any symptoms or anything, she just said come in at 1:30 and hung up! Well I hope they don't mind if I take my 5yo daughter along cuz I don't have a choice. I just don't want to take it no more, why go in. It sucks this didn't work out for me, but I obviously can't take it. Nor can I afford it anymore anyway
Posted: 04/16 10:25 AM
I had to go back and read your original post about starting Suboxone on Thursday. You said you were taking 6-8 10mg Hydrocodone pills. That really isn't very much although you will suffer some withdrawals from it. It still shouldn't be that bad.
What I'm saying is, your doctor should never had given you the 8mg strip to start. It is waaaay too much for what you were taking. You should have been started on 2mgs and gone from there. My guess is 2mgs would have been just the right dose and you wouldn't have had those nasty reactions. But then I am not a physician.
The side effects you speak of are nothing but too high of dose. It is like trying to smash a fly with car. So discuss that with your doctor and see what he says. Mine was the same way. Started me off on way too high of dose and I threw up within an hour of taking my induction dose. I've done my fair share of heroin and know when I've taken too much and have the need to throw up. I told my Dr. and he just ignored it. It was me who reduced the dose to a more acceptable one. The Suboxone doctors have not taken it, they only go by what the company tells them so we tend to be the experts on dosage.
But if you feel like you don't want to be on it anymore, more power to you. You will suffer from some w/d's though, so be ready.
Posted: 04/16 10:40 AM
I agree with rule. I was taking a little more hydro than you, RedVelvet, and my doctor wanted to start me at 24mg/day. He gave me 8mg at my induction (but I took half of it out of my mouth, so I really took 4mg) and I got really high, and then very sick a few hours later. I probably didn't even need 2mg. I took more sub that night because that's what the doctor said, but I shouldn't have...just made me more sick. Anyway, I got stabilized on only 6mg/day the first week (a quarter of what was prescribed!!) and then cut to 5mg for a while, and now I am on 4mg and feel totally fine. I am going to try tapering again by the end of this week to 3mg. No way did I need 24mg/day, or even 8mg!
Posted: 04/16 10:47 AM
Hi Red Velvet,
I agree with what Rule said. It sounds to me like you are just on to high a dose. I think you mentioned on another post that you tried 2mg and it made the side effects better but did not take care of your cravings. That is probably where you need to stay. I know alot of people here say that they have NO CRAVINGS on suboxone. I don't think that everybody has that experience. I think we create the expectation for ourselves that this drug is going to make us feel just like we felt on our DOC just without the high...well, that's not how it works. At least for me. I have still experienced alot of cravings. However these are all mental cravings, not the physical withdrawal type. I just realized that it was kind of a good thing to have these now while I was on the suboxone so I could learn how to deal with them while I had this safety net. After all, when you quit suboxone you are going to have to learn how to deal with them, they aren't going to go away. The cravings have gotten better over the past weeks, every day is a little more normal. Maybe you just need to lower your expectations a bit about how you should feel while taking it. I hope you figure it out because my fear for you is that you will quit suboxone and go right back to your vicodin...reach out to your support system and let them help you through this. I'm not saying you have to have subs to get clean, but don't go backwards...you realized you needed help and wanted to stop the drugs, that still holds true, if you didn't need to quit you wouldn't have made this move. Stay strong!
Back from the DR
Posted: 04/16 01:01 PM
Thanks everyone. Rule, you are so right about the doctors, they are strictly book taught. I went in there and told him everything. Him and the nurse were so confused, they said I was the first patient they had that had bad reactions and the first one that either wasn't there for heroin or hard core pill usage. He couldn't understand why I coulnt just quit myself with what I was taking. Nice time to tell me this, but he is taking me off the sub and wants to see me in two days to see how I do and so far I'm ok. His knowledge is not that great with it. But the fact that I never doctor shopped or bought from the streets, always just got my monthly script for the same doctors, makes him think I'm not an addict. Well I always ran out early and went through withdrawals for a good four days or so til I got filled again. I'm thinking I will just wait it out and if I start to withdrawal or crave I will try 2mg, honestly I was getting high off my doses, I thought it was normal, but I guess not.
Thank you all for the great advice and support!
Posted: 04/16 04:27 PM
I wish you the best of luck RedVelvet....don't disappear on us. Keep us updated on your progress.
Posted: 04/16 08:17 PM
How much power are you giving this particular doctor. We pay them and they provide a professional service -- we are their
employers. They should never be ordering us about, no matter how much they may think they are entitled.
The best ones can be identified -- they act like humans, not jerks.
Posted: 04/17 11:24 AM
I know what you mean about doctors and their power. He ain't too bad, he is a good listener, but I can tell he wasn't doing the Suboxone that long because his experience with addiction is not that great, or knowledge I should say. I'm doing ok so far but since I payed him for a month already he is going to see me a couple times a week since I'm not on the subs. So far so good!
Re: Bad reaction to subs. Think I need to go off
Posted: 04/17 07:25 PM
|RedVelvet wrote: |
|I started subs on thursday and it started out ok. On Friday I woke with a headache and was nodding off when I sat down. So on Saturday I spit out the naloxone after taking my 8mg in the morning and my 2mg in the afternoon(dr wanted me to take 4mg but It was too much for me). When the evening came my head hurt so bad it was like someone was jabbing it with a knife, my vision was blurred, my eyes were fluttering and I was nodding off, my legs were twitching and my speech was slurred. Everytime time I closed my eyes I saw weird images and heard voices(like hallucinating). Finally I went to sleep, on Sunday morning my head still hurt bad so I just took 2mg and I fell asleep for 3hrs and still felt crappy so I didn't take anymore and started to feel better. Now here on Monday morning since I didn't take anything I feel fine, except now there are two soars on my upper lip, one on the outside, one inside. |
I just called my doc and said "I am having bad reactions and I'm afraid to take the Suboxone anymore" she did not ask any symptoms or anything, she just said come in at 1:30 and hung up! Well I hope they don't mind if I take mye 5yo daughter along cuz I don't have a choice. I just don't want to take it no more, why go in. It sucks this didn't work out for me, but I obviously can't take it. Nor can I afford it anymore anyway
Red, I was only on 2 tabs of 5mg loratab for three months and my doc said I was not addicted, However, he started me on 16mg of suboxone! Made me so nauseated, severe headache, and extreme nervousness, anxiety, and tremor. He said it was my anxiety and put me on Klonopin and got me tolerant on that! I switched to subutex b/c the naloxone was giving me headaches. I call the pharm. company that makes suboxone and they said he should have weaned me off the 2 pills instead of putting me on sub and certainly not at that dose! I did not feel good til I got to 1 or 2 mg which took 6 to 8months. In Feb I was down to .5 every 3 days and the week I was going to jump he upped my dose to 4mg for days. Tapered again to 1mg the 1st of March and he yo yoed my dose b/c of a tooth infection and extraction. Now he wanted me on 4 mg again and I refused. He argued w/ me and said I wanted to be in control. He set me up an agressive taper schedule that would make me very sick!!! Then he calmed down and told me to stay on a steady dose for a month. Prob. a good idea b/c my body is confused. However he wanted me at 3mg and I'm taking only 2.5 b/c 3 makes me so sleepy. He said that was not a side effect. I have seen it numerously on this forum. He told me to stay off this forum. Also, I just started neurotin that make you sleepy and have reactivated mono. I am so pissed off! I wasn't even addicted and been on subs for almost a year. I don't know how long you were on opiotes, but your dose is too high. Are your pupils dialated? You might try to switch to subutex b/c it doesn't have naloxone, but don't get trapped like me. Found out my doc only had 3 yrs experience. He was an allergist before! I don't know how to check these docs out before going to them. Let me know what happens. I will pray for you. Sub is not for everyone. You might be one of them.
Posted: 04/18 10:59 AM
Wow anxious, what a terrible thing to go through! Weening probably would've been the best for you, and for me. I was on Vic for three years, 6-8 pills a day. I did withdrawal without them, but weening me down could have helped. I was hoping subs would work, unfortunately they were not for me. I agree with the fact that we should be able to look into the docs background. This guys seems To be a family practitioner and still is. I went for my final visit with him today since I am no longer in the program. Now he agrees that I should have been weened on not put on subs. Because I am doing good now so he thinks that I made it through the detox part with the subs and should be fine. Well, I think he plays guessing games and doesn't even know! But I'm sure I will truck along just fine.... From suboxforum.com